Will these work with the spigen tough armor case? the one with the kick stand?

I am not sure, but both here and at the Spigen website, it states: "compatible with all Spigen Galaxy S23 Plus case / Galaxy S23 case (except Spigen Optik Crystal cases). They fit perfectly on both our "Neo Hybrid" and the clear "Ultra Hybrid" cases.

Will these work with otterbox defender case?

I have an Otterbox case, not sure which 1 though but this works for cameras, only issue I've had is with screen protector.

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🛡️ Protect your perspective, stay picture-perfect.

PRECISION FIT - Designed with exact 1.4 x 1.4 x 1.27 cm dimensions for seamless integration with your Galaxy S23 camera lens.
WIRELESS FRIENDLY - Maintains flawless wireless functionality while safeguarding your camera lens.
DUAL PACK ADVANTAGE - Two protectors included—double the protection, double the confidence.
FEATHERLIGHT DEFENSE - At just 30 grams, it shields your lens without adding bulk or weight to your device.
CRYSTAL CLEAR CLARITY - Experience uncompromised HD lens protection that keeps your Galaxy S23 camera sharp and vibrant.

The Spigen Optik.TR Camera Lens Protector offers high-definition, ultra-slim protection specifically engineered for the Samsung Galaxy S23. Weighing only 30 grams and precisely sized, it preserves wireless functionality while shielding your camera lens from scratches and damage. This dual pack ensures you’re always ready to keep your shots flawless.

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